tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post6568613708907558215..comments2023-10-29T19:03:11.547-04:00Comments on A Pilgrim's Progress: Westboro Baptist is Coming to SavannahErichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-85432346210902922872011-05-05T18:01:14.821-04:002011-05-05T18:01:14.821-04:00Thanks everyone for your comments. This is certai...Thanks everyone for your comments. This is certainly a very difficult situation. I take hope in the fact that God is sovereign. I just hope the gospel doesn't get a "black eye" during the Westboro visit. Pray for some good to come from this.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-83224620117477549862011-05-05T16:16:46.271-04:002011-05-05T16:16:46.271-04:00Eric,
I think you are wise in your statement,&quo...Eric,<br /><br />I think you are wise in your statement,"I plan to actively ignore the Westboro protests".<br /><br />It's a pity that the media cannot be convinced to ignore them as well, but the wider community of Christians could, if they put their minds hearts and to it.<br /><br />Public protests, and even violence, against Westboro, is the sort of publicity they crave.Aussie Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199918171163666399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-83231624854056956402011-05-05T16:08:51.028-04:002011-05-05T16:08:51.028-04:00Free Speech, Cults and Evil – Part II
One year in...Free Speech, Cults and Evil – Part II<br /><br />One year in the mid-1980s, the duty to lead the community Thanksgiving church service in the Islands area, east of Savannah, fell to the associate pastor of a Methodist church. His brave sermon for that service concerned, in part, whether anyone is truly lost prior to death - he contrasted two of God's creatures, two men who had been created in His image: Saint Paul, and ... Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi! What has God's great evangelist to do with Libya's cruel dictator? Paul persecuted, Gaddafi persecutes still. Paul converted, and died a saved man; while living, a repentant, converted and forgiven Gadaffi is still POSSIBLE, however remotely. The pastor prayed for that conversion then, and decades later, we should pray for that conversion now, even while international forces and those whom he persecuted seek to end his persecution, and perhaps end his life. The likelihood of such a conversion, howevermuch it seems infinitesimal, is worth our prayer, and such a conversion is not impossible to Him. <br /><br />WWJD? What DID Jesus do? <br />• Jesus prayed for His enemies - we should pray for the lost, even for evil leaders of cults (and governments), foreign and domestic, especially for such leaders. <br />• Jesus spoke against evil. Although He participated in social activities, he protested at the temple alone, His confrontation with self-righteous religious authorities was not as part of a group. Our protest, for example, of the murder of unborn babies, as a part of His body is appropriate (while murder of baby murderers is vigilantism, or war, and a separate topic). The decision to counter-protest is, of course, a weighted one - does it help to truly counter or does it help to somehow promote the evil perpetrated by the cult - I tend to the latter, but each Christian will make his own judgment about that, and we pray for wisdom in that decision. <br />• Jesus engaged sinners as a group through sermons and He engaged sinners individually. God engages us sinners in His Word. Not-yet deceased evil leaders of cults (and governments) can still be engaged, and Pope Benedict XVI, among others, continues to appeal to Gadaffi to end his persecution of his own people. Will God be glorified by the engagement and repentance of a still-living cult leader who does evil (or of a secular dictator who does evil)? In Paul's case, He was indeed; in Pakistan recently there was no conversion prior to that leader's killing. In Libya, there is still time! In Kansas, there is still time! So far. <br /><br />May God Bless You and Alice and Your Family, <br /><br />Bob ><>jrpvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815928983355865687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-55609211237791201932011-05-05T16:08:00.915-04:002011-05-05T16:08:00.915-04:00<<<<>>>>
Free Speech, Cul...<<<<>>>><br /><br />Free Speech, Cults and Evil – Part I<br /><br />American Christians are blessed with freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution. Setting aside how such blessings might lead to our "over-comfort," presumption, even evangelical indolence, how should we deal with two current news topics: <br />• social reaction to the death of a terrorist who lead a cult, and <br />• social reaction to the visit to our area of a cult which seeks to terrorize, of all people, those grieving at funerals. <br />Admittedly, the scope of actions (and purposes and means) differ markedly - the Westboro fanatics do not physically destroy people and property as the Al-Qaeda fanatics do. The Westboro fanatics most prominently use (abuse) protest (as related to Constitutionally-guaranteed free assembly and free speech), whereas no tactic is beyond Al-Qaeda fanatics in accomplishing their ends (regardless of law). <br /><br />What HAVE the fanatics in common? Al-Qaeda fanatics do not favor for Islam or for Muslims, Arabic or otherwise; the Westboro fanatics in Kansas (as well as Koran burners in Florida) do no favor for Christians or for the United States. Among other matters (including promotion of hate), the fanatics of both stripes purport to represent the one true God. What have WE in common with both those groups of fanatics? We, although humbly I hope, purport to represent the one true God, and we too do so in our actions (and, Lord help us, in our hearts). Our appropriate approach, that which has been called in the past, "putting on the spectacles of Jesus" (in one sense), has, in recent memory, been expressed as WWJD - What would Jesus do? It's easy to say that He certainly would not have us attempting to destroy, physically or emotionally, people who have not sought to harm us (setting aside the word "innocent" because of its theological overtones). To do so is evil, does not conform to His will.jrpvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815928983355865687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-24544381959193969542011-05-05T14:22:00.382-04:002011-05-05T14:22:00.382-04:00The is a free documentary on-line called "the...The is a free documentary on-line called "the most hated family in America" where a british journalist stays with the Phelps family for an extended period. It is insightful and tragic...<br /><br />http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-most-hated-family-in-america/<br /><br />Also, Ed Stetzer has an article on his blog about what they did when their church was protested.<br /><br />http://www.edstetzer.com/2010/05/god-loves-protestors-too.html<br /><br />Interesting times!Jason_73https://www.blogger.com/profile/03897032251222417504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-49837828424134712032011-05-05T07:49:28.795-04:002011-05-05T07:49:28.795-04:00I had another thought- the people lined up in fron...I had another thought- the people lined up in front of the Westboro Baptists could sing, "They'll know we are Christians by our love." With prayer this could make a huge statement. Everyone has a right to free speech :)Karen Kyle Ericsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10519939237365240288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-18361655240735156882011-05-05T07:31:43.473-04:002011-05-05T07:31:43.473-04:00My reaction would be the same as yours.
That God...My reaction would be the same as yours. <br /><br />That God would be glorified and His love flow through us, is for sure our duty. Proverbs warns us against trying to relate to these types, Whether they are professing Christianity or not should make no difference. I guess it would be right to be ready to show His love to those hurt by them; but how to postion ourselves for this is another question. Probably only His Spirit could show us that.<br />I'll pray as you requested.esztertunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866613716568607434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-89822340538858761382011-05-05T07:23:59.814-04:002011-05-05T07:23:59.814-04:00I just learned about these folks. It's heartb...I just learned about these folks. It's heartbreaking that they would twist God's message to bring hatred. And of course some will say they represent all Christians. I will pray for you guys in Savannah. I don't think I would show up at all. If I did, I'd want to present the truth strongly- with signs that say, "Judge not lest you be judged" on them and "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." "God so loved the world... He gave His only Son. Jesus." Tough situation- maybe create a human barricade to protect those they plan to attack...Karen Kyle Ericsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10519939237365240288noreply@blogger.com