tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post4215016214640247358..comments2023-10-29T19:03:11.547-04:00Comments on A Pilgrim's Progress: On the Significance of the Hall of TyrannusErichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-4151016996518251152016-06-09T07:24:58.504-04:002016-06-09T07:24:58.504-04:00Paul entered the synagogue, and Paul entered Tyran...Paul entered the synagogue, and Paul entered Tyrannus's school. We know the synagogue was not a place for Jesus' ekklesia (translated as "church"). But, did the school qualify as a place for Jesus' ekklesia? If Paul's actions in the school significantly differed from his actions in the synagogue, then we can hold the position that there is a <b>possibility</b> that the school functioned as a place for Jesus' ekklesia.<br /><br />However, the text does not convey the message that Paul's actions in the school differed significantly from his actions in the synagogue. The text implies his actions were similar, if not the same. Let's review:<br /><br /> . . . he [Paul] entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, <b>REASONING</b> and persuading them about the kingdom of God<br /><br />and<br /><br />. . . . he [Paul] withdrew from them [those in the synagogue] and took the disciples with him, <b>REASONING</b> daily in the hall of Tyrannus<br /><br />In both locations, Paul was reasoning. But, did Paul speak boldly and persuasively about the kingdom of God while in the school as he did in the synagogue? The text leaves that possibility open. So, since the text conveys the message that Paul's actions were similar, if not the same, in both a non-ekklesia and in a school, the text does not provide us with a convincing and compelling argument that the school became an ekklesia of Jesus.<br /><br />So, the significance of Tyrannus' school is that it demonstrates a method employed to inform non-Christians of God's kingdom. To call it an ekklesia of Jesus is to make a claim that goes beyond the message conveyed by the text.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02943725187963821474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-87459541332448488432016-01-16T05:19:02.442-05:002016-01-16T05:19:02.442-05:00If I may, there is a subtle difference between tea...If I may, there is a subtle difference between teaching and preaching the former mainly feeds and strengthens whereas the latter is mainly proclamation of a good news message towards the unchurched. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12240390485177571600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-19115993113834666872015-04-07T00:00:27.938-04:002015-04-07T00:00:27.938-04:00Brent, You play fast and loose, completely relativ...Brent, You play fast and loose, completely relativistic on “what God has appointed for us”. No, believers gathering is not “totally up to the local group”. Do you have a scripture for this? God has given us specific instructions. The “habit of meeting” you are “not to forsake” in Hebrews 10:24,25 is designed for “provoking one another on to love and good works” and “encouraging one another”. That is the exact opposite of one way communication like American hired preachers do when they dominate the expression of truth. Perhaps you are unaware that NT giving always goes beyond the givers. $7 mil. for buildings is pooling for the givers comfort zone and functions God never asked for. Does “preach the word…” really does mean lecture the word? I can’t figure how that matches up when there are at least 5 different words translated preach.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06869272176391202061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-23933964322530845642013-01-05T21:58:33.067-05:002013-01-05T21:58:33.067-05:00As long as the structure and organization fit what...As long as the structure and organization fit what God appointed for us, and it is used properly to edify the brethren the place of assembly is not important really. I have met in $7 million dollar buildings, and in a field. Either one works, and it is totally up to the local group. God gave us this freedom. Brenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08893426326798247542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-37854245995446293942012-01-25T20:01:38.923-05:002012-01-25T20:01:38.923-05:00Hi Jon,
Thanks for commenting.
Why do you say, &...Hi Jon,<br /><br />Thanks for commenting.<br /><br />Why do you say, "...it appears that Paul was holding evangelistic meetings in the lecture hall speaking to the general public rather than general church meetings."?<br /><br />Verse 9 says that Paul took the disciples with him. They may have needed teaching, but not evangelism. Are you pointing more to the outcome we see in verse 10?<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-33834516798295866862012-01-25T13:19:32.272-05:002012-01-25T13:19:32.272-05:00Someone should have will probably already have sai...Someone should have will probably already have said this but it appears that Paul was holding evangelistic meetings in the lecture hall speaking to the general public rather than general church meetings. (FYI - My church meets at a Hall in a building we own). Jonathanjonlightyear2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/03442971303573537367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-72758970820502102422011-11-26T12:54:45.825-05:002011-11-26T12:54:45.825-05:00David,
I agree completely. There certainly was a...David,<br /><br />I agree completely. There certainly was an evangelistic nature to what Paul was doing. The daily reasoning for two years is the reason mentioned for all Asia hearing the word.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-36271012672137024952011-11-26T12:50:26.484-05:002011-11-26T12:50:26.484-05:00Eric,
Since none of were there, it is impossible ...Eric,<br /><br />Since none of were there, it is impossible to know exactly what happened. But on a surface reading, I get the idea that what is described in Acts 19:8-10 is a different style of meeting than what is described in 1 Cor. 14:26. It seems that in Acts 19:8-10, the focus is more on Paul and his teaching, and in 1 Cor. 14:26 on the "one another" interchange. That doesn't mean there was not also interchange in the lecture hall of Tyrannus. The word διαλεγόμενος used to describe the communication taking place leaves open that possibility. <br /><br />I think it is likely there were different types of meetings in different settings with different purposes, which, as a whole, contributed to the overall life of the church, and the mutual edification of its members.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-76851998093547915172011-11-26T12:34:13.158-05:002011-11-26T12:34:13.158-05:00Marshall,
Thanks for the comment. Do you think t...Marshall,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. Do you think the meetings at the hall of Tyrannus were different from church meetings that may have occurred in homes? Or were they similar?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-40247916216374705422011-11-26T12:13:31.087-05:002011-11-26T12:13:31.087-05:00concurring with Arthur, it is about how.
These arg...concurring with Arthur, it is about how.<br />These arguments Paul had with people at the school of Tyrannus remind today of debates that often occur on a college campus. Paul took a change in venue after being hassled at the local Jewish synagogue. His argumentation continued for 2 years so that both Jews and Greeks in the province of Asia would hear the word of the Lord. (Have you heard this guy?)<br />Acts 19:9 shows contrast to known function & actions of ekklesia (church). Paul at Tyrannus became an evangelistic forum, which may be how someone could confuse it with a pulpit church.Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504426822748951069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-50788829997388278952011-11-25T18:25:36.101-05:002011-11-25T18:25:36.101-05:00Arthur,
I think we all agree that mutual edificat...Arthur,<br /><br />I think we all agree that mutual edification is why we gather. They key is making that happen. Houses are great for this, but they're not the only place it can occur. We must be sure that wherever we meet helps bring this about. The difficult part is when some meeting places start to get too big, too structured, etc.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4987271399653590272.post-30906845147378750812011-11-25T18:18:39.398-05:002011-11-25T18:18:39.398-05:00It is less where you meet than it is how you meet....It is less where you meet than it is how you meet. Of course some settings are more conducive to meetings like those we see in the Bible than others.Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.com